Sunday, May 21, 2006
'The Day of the White Peacock'
Click here to Link to the Matrimandir Action Committee's 'The Day of the White Peacock' articles.
Reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo?
The following is another question to come out of my time in the Auroconf forum. It is a response to a document published by the Matrimandir Action Committee entitled, ‘The Day of the White Peacock – 4', which discusses the issue of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet's son (also referred to as ‘the 4th', who she writes is the reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo) and includes an essay written by him at age 15 while in school in Pondicherry, called, ‘The Book of Knowledge'. My response follows ‘M.A.K.'s question. (Note: PNB is also known as ‘Thea'.)
‘Hi Lori, If the lad write this at 15 he is indeed talented! But he would be 42 now, right? If as you believe he is [Sri Aurobindo] come again, then could you point me to his published books, his website, his study group or ashram? [Sri Aurobindo] at 42 (having been born in inconscience like the rest of us) was already known throughout India for his political revolutionary struggles, had attained already attained the highest enlightenment, and was writing the Arya which contained all of his master works except Savitri.
Since it is claimed that "the 4th" was not born in Inconscience like the rest of us, but in a supramental way, that means he would have had 42 years already, at the level S.A. was at when he was supramentally realised. For this reason, i would be very interested to learn of his books and writings and activities, his ashram, and so on. Also, who are his main followers? You cannot except me to be a naive fundamentalist like you and Wilkinson are and believe things simply because of what your abusive guru tells you. You have to show me facts, real facts, facts in the material world about "the fourth"s activities.'
Looking forward to your reply, M.A.K. (Auroconf member)
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M.A.K. - I consulted Thea with your questions, and she responded:
‘Lori ... It is not for you to deal with this matter. IT IS ALL IN THE FOURTH PEACOCK. Whoever wants to know, sincerely, has to digest what is there. What makes him think he has an 'ashram' somewhere? One can hardly expect him to repeat what he never wanted in the first round?!... I do find these guys so spiritually arrogant. They KNOW exactly what Sri Aurobindo should or should not do, should or should not be.'
I will add the following questions for you, M.A.K.: Why are you curious about him if you are so confident in and content with your behavior of shredding, denigrating, devaluing, and negating his mother as the 3rd element of the Supramental Descent – his mother whom even now you describe as the 'abusive guru'? Why would such absolute negation of his ‘line' entitle you to have access to information about his life and work? Those who are sincere in their curiosity about the reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo (i.e. those not coming from the place of ‘prove it you crazy delusional fraud') should read not only ‘The Day of the White Peacock – 4', but also The New Way, Volumes 1 & 2, The Hidden Manna, and The 10th Day of Victory.
Lori Tompkins
Notes:
Links to 'The Day of the White Peacock, 1 - 4', will be posted on this blogspot, and can also be found in the 'Integral Yoga News' section of www.quantumyoga.org or on the The Matrimandir Action Committee's website: www.matacom.com
‘Hi Lori, If the lad write this at 15 he is indeed talented! But he would be 42 now, right? If as you believe he is [Sri Aurobindo] come again, then could you point me to his published books, his website, his study group or ashram? [Sri Aurobindo] at 42 (having been born in inconscience like the rest of us) was already known throughout India for his political revolutionary struggles, had attained already attained the highest enlightenment, and was writing the Arya which contained all of his master works except Savitri.
Since it is claimed that "the 4th" was not born in Inconscience like the rest of us, but in a supramental way, that means he would have had 42 years already, at the level S.A. was at when he was supramentally realised. For this reason, i would be very interested to learn of his books and writings and activities, his ashram, and so on. Also, who are his main followers? You cannot except me to be a naive fundamentalist like you and Wilkinson are and believe things simply because of what your abusive guru tells you. You have to show me facts, real facts, facts in the material world about "the fourth"s activities.'
Looking forward to your reply, M.A.K. (Auroconf member)
_____________________________________
M.A.K. - I consulted Thea with your questions, and she responded:
‘Lori ... It is not for you to deal with this matter. IT IS ALL IN THE FOURTH PEACOCK. Whoever wants to know, sincerely, has to digest what is there. What makes him think he has an 'ashram' somewhere? One can hardly expect him to repeat what he never wanted in the first round?!... I do find these guys so spiritually arrogant. They KNOW exactly what Sri Aurobindo should or should not do, should or should not be.'
I will add the following questions for you, M.A.K.: Why are you curious about him if you are so confident in and content with your behavior of shredding, denigrating, devaluing, and negating his mother as the 3rd element of the Supramental Descent – his mother whom even now you describe as the 'abusive guru'? Why would such absolute negation of his ‘line' entitle you to have access to information about his life and work? Those who are sincere in their curiosity about the reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo (i.e. those not coming from the place of ‘prove it you crazy delusional fraud') should read not only ‘The Day of the White Peacock – 4', but also The New Way, Volumes 1 & 2, The Hidden Manna, and The 10th Day of Victory.
Lori Tompkins
Notes:
Links to 'The Day of the White Peacock, 1 - 4', will be posted on this blogspot, and can also be found in the 'Integral Yoga News' section of www.quantumyoga.org or on the The Matrimandir Action Committee's website: www.matacom.com
Saturday, May 20, 2006
Mis-Execution of The Mother's Temple?
While a member of the online Supramental Yoga forum 'Auroconf' (I got kicked out of the group on the 18th of May), I was asked the following question. I will only give the initials of its author, because he did not send this directly to the blog. Perhaps he may respond in this forum and identify himself. I have answered his questions bellow.
'Dear Lori and [Auroconf] ... supposing that the original Mother's plans for the Matrimandir had not been well executed, do you (and PNB and whoever) REALLY thinks that She and Sri Aurobindo have stepped back from projecting their evolutionary energy into it, leaving all the people that faithfully go there to pray and meditate alone, permitting to some Asura or whatever to take the subtle control of the place?
Do you REALLY think this absurdity, or maybe you understand that even if your exceptions have some real foundation, They still can canalize a huge flow of stabilizing, healing and harmonizing vibration trough it? (and that correcting this 'errors' can have a cost that is far beyond the pros?)
thanks for sincere answer humbly, faithfully and in God service
S. S. K.' (Auorconf Member)
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Dear S.,
Yes, it would be absurd to think that the will of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother toward the full realization and establishment of the Supramental Consciousness on Earth would wane due to the lack of receptivity and ignorance of human beings, and our errors of execution. If one reads The Mother's Agenda from January 1-17, 1970, one gets a feel for the difficulty the Mother had in putting her vision forward into the collective ‘mixture'. [1] One can see from these talks that her Supramental vision fell upon the standard reigning human mental ignorance (i.e. the standard darkness and blindness that allows for the entry of ‘asuric' forces), and was expected to be arrested there for some time, during a sifting and learning process.
‘... my whole action is like this: a PRESSURE on them to make them abdicate their little person. Until it abdicates, the work CANNOT get done.' – The Mother, 17 January. 1970
It would also be absurd to think that the Supramental Consciousness would abandon anyone or anything to some external ‘dark' power or ignorance. The Mother was clear that the pressure of the Consciousness is omnipresent. The question seems to be rather: When will the ‘little person' abdicate to the pressures of that higher inspiration and when will the work get done? Does one choose to build, concentrate and defend the lesser inspiration or to adhere to the higher inspiration (even if one does not quite understand its Truth). The PRESSURE simply increases until the lesser inspired abdicate to the higher vision and force.
Why were changes made to the Mother's original plan, and why is the Matrimandir as it stands, still marketed as representative-in-full of the Mother's vision? The architects, builders and their supporters chose to execute a temple based on the ‘gist' of the Mother's vision, but not on its actual details. They chose their own vision for the temple over the Mother's, yet still refer to it as The Mother's Temple. Why not just call it the Auroville Temple, and explain the choices made – explain ALL the divergence made from the Mother's original blueprints with the rational for each of the many changes?
Why try pass it off to those who could not yet know any better, as the Mother's original vision. The well-documented changes made to the Mother's original temple plans and her comments about those changes, indicate that the Auroville Temple is not a monument honoring the Mother's profound knowledge and profound vision of the Supramental Consciousness; yet this is exactly what Aurovillian's seem to want the world to believe. Upon a closer look, one can see that her knowledge and precision in the matter of sacred geometry was not understood and was consequently discarded.
How can one pretend that the mis-execution of the Mother's original plan, honors her or Sri Aurobindo, and that it is conducive to the stabilization of the Life Divine on Earth? How could the temple, gutted of the Mother's original inspiration – which she said came straight from the eternal realm – produce vibrations that are helpful to those who are seeking out identity with that eternal realm, with that Consciousness ... except in the manner that the ‘negative' expression always has a way of increasing the pressure for the full manifestation or revelation of the ‘True Thing'?
In terms of the cost of correcting the ‘errors' made in the execution of the Temple ... what cost does it really involve at this point other than revisiting the choice that was not made then, and admitting the ‘error' now? ... not the ‘supposed' error, but the real error – the actual divergence from the Mother's Supramental inspiration. The toll of defending that divergence from the Divine Plan seems much steeper than the cost of simply admitting it, much steeper than redoing the marketing material to reflect the actual choices made.
Finally, to address your concerns about the ‘faithful' who visit the temple ... consider that they might actually benefit from the knowledge presented by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet about the Mother's original vision. Ms. Norelli-Bachelet certainly did not fabricate the Mother's original blue prints. One would think, given a chance (via full disclosure in these matters), the ‘faithful' would be truly interested in exploring the sacred dimensions laid out by the Mother and in exploring the profound significance of those dimensions.
One would think, that if given a chance, the ‘faithful' would want to ‘concentrate' on the Mother's original inspiration rather defend a structure that mis-represents that inspiration.
19 May 2006 © Lori Tompkins
[1] Excerpts from The Mother's Agenda,
Volume 11, 17 January 1970:
... surely you understand that if R. has adopted Paolo's idea, it means he admires Paolo's intelligence, otherwise he would not have. So why one side like this and the other side ...? We don't want any more of those petty things.
Satprem: But when Paolo showed me this plan, I felt something very beautiful ... I'll tell you what I felt: I felt I was witnessing the birth of Auroville.
No, that is not true.
Satprem: The material birth, I mean.
Yes, yes, I understand, but that is not true.
(The Mother goes into a long concentration)
We will let the dust settle. Because, you understand, to accept those changes I must be sure that the origin of the inspiration is of the same quality as mine ... for the execution, I know very well that we need people who know the job and do the work, but for the inspiration, I must be sure that the origin of the inspiration is AT LEAST as high as mine .... And I am not sure, because I saw so clearly. With Paolo's ideas, I saw the mixture straight away. His ideas are all mental ideas, I can assure you because for me that's very easy to see. Well, all of them bring along the same MIXTURE as with anything that's done in the world. And so .... what is the use of doing that over and over and over again? ...
[further on in the entry]
I do not believe in external decisions. Simply, I believe in only one thing: the force of Consciousness exerting a PRESSURE like this (crushing gesture). And the Pressure keeps increasing .... Which means it is going to sift people. ...
... I only believe in this: the pressure of the Consciousness. All the rest is all the things people do; they do them well or not so well, it all lives and dies and changes and gets distorted and ... – all the things they have done. It is not worth it. The power of execution has to come from above, like this, imperative (gesture of descent). And for that, this (the Mother points to her forehead) has to keep still. It should not say, `Oh we do not want this, oh, we want that, oh, we must dothis ... `Peace, peace, peace, He knows better than you what needs to be done. There.
And as not many can understand, I do not say anything: I look and wait.
I LOOK for instance, I am given a piece of paper as you just did when you gave me that drawing, I look like that, and I very clearly see the part in the paper that is the result from above, the part that has got mixed, the part ... Like that. But you do not go and say all that! – Moreover they would not believe me. ... (p. 54)
... my whole action is like this: a PRESSURE on them to make them abdicate their little person. Until it abdicates, the work CANNOT get done.
As a matter of fact, they seek all kinds of reasons so as not to see the true one.
We need ... phew, a little air!
The body – this body – is undergoing a discipline, you know, oh, terrible ... But it doesn't complain, it is happy, it asks for it. And it sees how we are full of VERY SMALL THINGS that are ceaselessly hindering the action of the Force. Well, the first thing is to get rid of all that. We must be like this (gesture of surrender, open) and receive that Force. Then all inspirations will come, and not only inspirations but the MEANS of execution, and the TRUE THING, Otherwise...
And since not all of them are quite ready, I do what the Consciousness does: I apply the Pressure and say nothing – I wait (the Mother laughs)
(Silence)
If you knew all that takes place, you would find it very funny ... Man puffing himself up...
First they must understand: abdicate. Then we will see ...
... we must wait and wait till they are ripe – a lot of time is wasted, you understand. It is better not to say anything: apply the Pressure. Oh, I am pitiless!(the Mother laughs).
'Dear Lori and [Auroconf] ... supposing that the original Mother's plans for the Matrimandir had not been well executed, do you (and PNB and whoever) REALLY thinks that She and Sri Aurobindo have stepped back from projecting their evolutionary energy into it, leaving all the people that faithfully go there to pray and meditate alone, permitting to some Asura or whatever to take the subtle control of the place?
Do you REALLY think this absurdity, or maybe you understand that even if your exceptions have some real foundation, They still can canalize a huge flow of stabilizing, healing and harmonizing vibration trough it? (and that correcting this 'errors' can have a cost that is far beyond the pros?)
thanks for sincere answer humbly, faithfully and in God service
S. S. K.' (Auorconf Member)
__________________________________________
Dear S.,
Yes, it would be absurd to think that the will of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother toward the full realization and establishment of the Supramental Consciousness on Earth would wane due to the lack of receptivity and ignorance of human beings, and our errors of execution. If one reads The Mother's Agenda from January 1-17, 1970, one gets a feel for the difficulty the Mother had in putting her vision forward into the collective ‘mixture'. [1] One can see from these talks that her Supramental vision fell upon the standard reigning human mental ignorance (i.e. the standard darkness and blindness that allows for the entry of ‘asuric' forces), and was expected to be arrested there for some time, during a sifting and learning process.
‘... my whole action is like this: a PRESSURE on them to make them abdicate their little person. Until it abdicates, the work CANNOT get done.' – The Mother, 17 January. 1970
It would also be absurd to think that the Supramental Consciousness would abandon anyone or anything to some external ‘dark' power or ignorance. The Mother was clear that the pressure of the Consciousness is omnipresent. The question seems to be rather: When will the ‘little person' abdicate to the pressures of that higher inspiration and when will the work get done? Does one choose to build, concentrate and defend the lesser inspiration or to adhere to the higher inspiration (even if one does not quite understand its Truth). The PRESSURE simply increases until the lesser inspired abdicate to the higher vision and force.
Why were changes made to the Mother's original plan, and why is the Matrimandir as it stands, still marketed as representative-in-full of the Mother's vision? The architects, builders and their supporters chose to execute a temple based on the ‘gist' of the Mother's vision, but not on its actual details. They chose their own vision for the temple over the Mother's, yet still refer to it as The Mother's Temple. Why not just call it the Auroville Temple, and explain the choices made – explain ALL the divergence made from the Mother's original blueprints with the rational for each of the many changes?
Why try pass it off to those who could not yet know any better, as the Mother's original vision. The well-documented changes made to the Mother's original temple plans and her comments about those changes, indicate that the Auroville Temple is not a monument honoring the Mother's profound knowledge and profound vision of the Supramental Consciousness; yet this is exactly what Aurovillian's seem to want the world to believe. Upon a closer look, one can see that her knowledge and precision in the matter of sacred geometry was not understood and was consequently discarded.
How can one pretend that the mis-execution of the Mother's original plan, honors her or Sri Aurobindo, and that it is conducive to the stabilization of the Life Divine on Earth? How could the temple, gutted of the Mother's original inspiration – which she said came straight from the eternal realm – produce vibrations that are helpful to those who are seeking out identity with that eternal realm, with that Consciousness ... except in the manner that the ‘negative' expression always has a way of increasing the pressure for the full manifestation or revelation of the ‘True Thing'?
In terms of the cost of correcting the ‘errors' made in the execution of the Temple ... what cost does it really involve at this point other than revisiting the choice that was not made then, and admitting the ‘error' now? ... not the ‘supposed' error, but the real error – the actual divergence from the Mother's Supramental inspiration. The toll of defending that divergence from the Divine Plan seems much steeper than the cost of simply admitting it, much steeper than redoing the marketing material to reflect the actual choices made.
Finally, to address your concerns about the ‘faithful' who visit the temple ... consider that they might actually benefit from the knowledge presented by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet about the Mother's original vision. Ms. Norelli-Bachelet certainly did not fabricate the Mother's original blue prints. One would think, given a chance (via full disclosure in these matters), the ‘faithful' would be truly interested in exploring the sacred dimensions laid out by the Mother and in exploring the profound significance of those dimensions.
One would think, that if given a chance, the ‘faithful' would want to ‘concentrate' on the Mother's original inspiration rather defend a structure that mis-represents that inspiration.
19 May 2006 © Lori Tompkins
[1] Excerpts from The Mother's Agenda,
Volume 11, 17 January 1970:
... surely you understand that if R. has adopted Paolo's idea, it means he admires Paolo's intelligence, otherwise he would not have. So why one side like this and the other side ...? We don't want any more of those petty things.
Satprem: But when Paolo showed me this plan, I felt something very beautiful ... I'll tell you what I felt: I felt I was witnessing the birth of Auroville.
No, that is not true.
Satprem: The material birth, I mean.
Yes, yes, I understand, but that is not true.
(The Mother goes into a long concentration)
We will let the dust settle. Because, you understand, to accept those changes I must be sure that the origin of the inspiration is of the same quality as mine ... for the execution, I know very well that we need people who know the job and do the work, but for the inspiration, I must be sure that the origin of the inspiration is AT LEAST as high as mine .... And I am not sure, because I saw so clearly. With Paolo's ideas, I saw the mixture straight away. His ideas are all mental ideas, I can assure you because for me that's very easy to see. Well, all of them bring along the same MIXTURE as with anything that's done in the world. And so .... what is the use of doing that over and over and over again? ...
[further on in the entry]
I do not believe in external decisions. Simply, I believe in only one thing: the force of Consciousness exerting a PRESSURE like this (crushing gesture). And the Pressure keeps increasing .... Which means it is going to sift people. ...
... I only believe in this: the pressure of the Consciousness. All the rest is all the things people do; they do them well or not so well, it all lives and dies and changes and gets distorted and ... – all the things they have done. It is not worth it. The power of execution has to come from above, like this, imperative (gesture of descent). And for that, this (the Mother points to her forehead) has to keep still. It should not say, `Oh we do not want this, oh, we want that, oh, we must dothis ... `Peace, peace, peace, He knows better than you what needs to be done. There.
And as not many can understand, I do not say anything: I look and wait.
I LOOK for instance, I am given a piece of paper as you just did when you gave me that drawing, I look like that, and I very clearly see the part in the paper that is the result from above, the part that has got mixed, the part ... Like that. But you do not go and say all that! – Moreover they would not believe me. ... (p. 54)
... my whole action is like this: a PRESSURE on them to make them abdicate their little person. Until it abdicates, the work CANNOT get done.
As a matter of fact, they seek all kinds of reasons so as not to see the true one.
We need ... phew, a little air!
The body – this body – is undergoing a discipline, you know, oh, terrible ... But it doesn't complain, it is happy, it asks for it. And it sees how we are full of VERY SMALL THINGS that are ceaselessly hindering the action of the Force. Well, the first thing is to get rid of all that. We must be like this (gesture of surrender, open) and receive that Force. Then all inspirations will come, and not only inspirations but the MEANS of execution, and the TRUE THING, Otherwise...
And since not all of them are quite ready, I do what the Consciousness does: I apply the Pressure and say nothing – I wait (the Mother laughs)
(Silence)
If you knew all that takes place, you would find it very funny ... Man puffing himself up...
First they must understand: abdicate. Then we will see ...
... we must wait and wait till they are ripe – a lot of time is wasted, you understand. It is better not to say anything: apply the Pressure. Oh, I am pitiless!(the Mother laughs).
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